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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-29136</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My strongest suggestion is to make contact with a trained rehab facility, even before any surgery. They can help you evaluate any changes after surgery, including pain, range of motion, etc. When Tori&#039;s meniscus tore after the TR, there was a distinct clicking sound in her knee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My strongest suggestion is to make contact with a trained rehab facility, even before any surgery. They can help you evaluate any changes after surgery, including pain, range of motion, etc. When Tori&#8217;s meniscus tore after the TR, there was a distinct clicking sound in her knee.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-28877</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think toe drag has anything to do with an acl/ccl tear. I would call the doc about it. (When I re-read this before posting it, I remembered that Dan dragged his toe for a short time after surgery, Someone suggested that I walk him over objects, say a 2X4 or a pipe that would make him raise his leg to step over the object. I might try that, but I would call the vet to be sure). 

As I understand it, the meniscus won&#039;t heal on it&#039;s own. It&#039;s like a flat gasket between the bones that cushions the knee. When it gets injured, the edge flips up - like a curled edge. It&#039;s very painful. The doc trims the edge (the flipped up part). It may or may not grow back. My vet said it would. Other people&#039;s vets say it won&#039;t. The only thing I could find on the internet was about human meniscus which said it would regrow if it had blood supply to the affected area. Not all areas have blood supply. My vet said he could feel the torn meniscus when he examined my dog. 

X-rays won&#039;t tell you if there is an injury. It will show other problems, not a torn ACL/CCL, such as arthritis, bone cancer, etc. The x-ray is done to rule out other problems, not to diagnose a tear. 

Whatever problems your dog had that made the first tear happen are present in the other leg. It&#039;s statistically probable that the other leg will tear. However, some never do, or sometimes many years later. My dog&#039;s other leg tore almost exactly a year after the first. 

I would not do x-rays without symptoms, and maybe not then if you&#039;ve done them before. I don&#039;t know about your area, but here they run $400 to $600 and most docs will want new ones before surgery. 

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think toe drag has anything to do with an acl/ccl tear. I would call the doc about it. (When I re-read this before posting it, I remembered that Dan dragged his toe for a short time after surgery, Someone suggested that I walk him over objects, say a 2X4 or a pipe that would make him raise his leg to step over the object. I might try that, but I would call the vet to be sure). </p>
<p>As I understand it, the meniscus won&#8217;t heal on it&#8217;s own. It&#8217;s like a flat gasket between the bones that cushions the knee. When it gets injured, the edge flips up &#8211; like a curled edge. It&#8217;s very painful. The doc trims the edge (the flipped up part). It may or may not grow back. My vet said it would. Other people&#8217;s vets say it won&#8217;t. The only thing I could find on the internet was about human meniscus which said it would regrow if it had blood supply to the affected area. Not all areas have blood supply. My vet said he could feel the torn meniscus when he examined my dog. </p>
<p>X-rays won&#8217;t tell you if there is an injury. It will show other problems, not a torn ACL/CCL, such as arthritis, bone cancer, etc. The x-ray is done to rule out other problems, not to diagnose a tear. </p>
<p>Whatever problems your dog had that made the first tear happen are present in the other leg. It&#8217;s statistically probable that the other leg will tear. However, some never do, or sometimes many years later. My dog&#8217;s other leg tore almost exactly a year after the first. </p>
<p>I would not do x-rays without symptoms, and maybe not then if you&#8217;ve done them before. I don&#8217;t know about your area, but here they run $400 to $600 and most docs will want new ones before surgery. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Mari Mortensen</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-28859</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our newfoundland had a TR done by Dr. Wright in Springfield, Il in 11/2010. Recouperation went well. Now I am concerned  about the menescus in the repaired knee as the dog is walking lightly and sometimes  has a bit of toe drag.  I may be imagining things, but he also seems to be having trouble with the other leg. The dog struggles to get up,pulling instead from his front legs. If the meniscus is torn, is there  a reason to remove it as opposed to letting it heal? Also, what are the chances  that the other leg  has  a tear? How long should I wait for xrays if there is no real lameness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our newfoundland had a TR done by Dr. Wright in Springfield, Il in 11/2010. Recouperation went well. Now I am concerned  about the menescus in the repaired knee as the dog is walking lightly and sometimes  has a bit of toe drag.  I may be imagining things, but he also seems to be having trouble with the other leg. The dog struggles to get up,pulling instead from his front legs. If the meniscus is torn, is there  a reason to remove it as opposed to letting it heal? Also, what are the chances  that the other leg  has  a tear? How long should I wait for xrays if there is no real lameness?</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy S. Pearson</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-28215</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy S. Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 21:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sad to hear some of these horrible stories of recovery. i know how heartbreaking it is. It sounds as if you did everything you could to make it better.  As i explained in my other story profiled on this site, my 5 year old 65 lb Pointer mix Neva&#039;s Tightrope surgery was successful and we are 5 months out.  She has issues w/ her hips but evidently always has. 

Her doctor was named Dr. Luck.  He does NOT have an office but is a roaming vet who works in other Colorado vet clinics who do not have an onsite facility.  My vet is named PetsVet in Arvada, CO if anyone wants to talk with them.  I felt strange actually never really getting to talk w/ Dr. Luck as all the communication was through my vet. This i did not like but the results are solid.  Total cost was under $2k.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to hear some of these horrible stories of recovery. i know how heartbreaking it is. It sounds as if you did everything you could to make it better.  As i explained in my other story profiled on this site, my 5 year old 65 lb Pointer mix Neva&#8217;s Tightrope surgery was successful and we are 5 months out.  She has issues w/ her hips but evidently always has. </p>
<p>Her doctor was named Dr. Luck.  He does NOT have an office but is a roaming vet who works in other Colorado vet clinics who do not have an onsite facility.  My vet is named PetsVet in Arvada, CO if anyone wants to talk with them.  I felt strange actually never really getting to talk w/ Dr. Luck as all the communication was through my vet. This i did not like but the results are solid.  Total cost was under $2k.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Freiberg, DVM, DABVP</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-27856</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Freiberg, DVM, DABVP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes!  We really do have it easier.  We bear weight almost perpendicularly while dogs have a 10 to 20 degree angle.  Makes the ACL much more important for them.  We are also spared the progressive osteoarthritis that dogs have to live with.  Happy that Tori is well.  Yesterday I did a 3 month post-op exam on a boxer that limps slightly on the non-operated leg.  3 months is a little early to see such good stabilization but I thought I would pass it along</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes!  We really do have it easier.  We bear weight almost perpendicularly while dogs have a 10 to 20 degree angle.  Makes the ACL much more important for them.  We are also spared the progressive osteoarthritis that dogs have to live with.  Happy that Tori is well.  Yesterday I did a 3 month post-op exam on a boxer that limps slightly on the non-operated leg.  3 months is a little early to see such good stabilization but I thought I would pass it along</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-27703</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tori actually responded well after the implant was removed. Both after the initial TR surgery, and after the implant removal we worked closely with a vet specializing in rehab. We did extensive range of motion, muscle strengthening, stimulation and cold laser. At this point she is about 90 to 95% with her only issue being that she takes the steps more slowly than she did before the injury. I am glad to hear that she may not end of with a second injury. We are working hard to protect her during the icy winter, and continue to build muscle in both hind legs. Funny thing is, I tore my ACL last year and had it repaired. It is so much easier for a human, and the surgery makes much more sense. Different anatomy does make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tori actually responded well after the implant was removed. Both after the initial TR surgery, and after the implant removal we worked closely with a vet specializing in rehab. We did extensive range of motion, muscle strengthening, stimulation and cold laser. At this point she is about 90 to 95% with her only issue being that she takes the steps more slowly than she did before the injury. I am glad to hear that she may not end of with a second injury. We are working hard to protect her during the icy winter, and continue to build muscle in both hind legs. Funny thing is, I tore my ACL last year and had it repaired. It is so much easier for a human, and the surgery makes much more sense. Different anatomy does make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Freiberg, DVM, DABVP</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-27676</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Freiberg, DVM, DABVP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rich,
I have seen both of those things you describe.  The issue for me was difficulty identifying the F2 site, or the place where the drilling starts in the femur.  I had two cases similar to Tori&#039;s.  Both dogs responded well to either removal or removal and replacement of the TR.  So far, the TR study shows a 5.6% rate of subsequent meniscal tears.  When that happens to one of my patients they usually respond extremely well to arthrotomy and excision of the torn material.  
About the other leg, the literature says that the off leg will rupture 50-60% of the time.  I have not seen anywhere that high of a percentage in my practice.  It is therefore not a certainty that the other leg will act up.
I seem to have fewer and fewer issues the more TR&#039;s that I do.  That is not skill, luck, training, or anything except that I now have the right equipment and I have seen a bunch of knees!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rich,<br />
I have seen both of those things you describe.  The issue for me was difficulty identifying the F2 site, or the place where the drilling starts in the femur.  I had two cases similar to Tori&#8217;s.  Both dogs responded well to either removal or removal and replacement of the TR.  So far, the TR study shows a 5.6% rate of subsequent meniscal tears.  When that happens to one of my patients they usually respond extremely well to arthrotomy and excision of the torn material.<br />
About the other leg, the literature says that the off leg will rupture 50-60% of the time.  I have not seen anywhere that high of a percentage in my practice.  It is therefore not a certainty that the other leg will act up.<br />
I seem to have fewer and fewer issues the more TR&#8217;s that I do.  That is not skill, luck, training, or anything except that I now have the right equipment and I have seen a bunch of knees!</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-27649</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I am also a dog owner whose beloved dog suffered a failed Tightrope due to expanding bone tunnels, causing the metal buttons to collaps into the bone tunnel.  We originally chose the Tightrope procedure because it was supposed to be less invasive than the TPLO or TAA, yet give the same results.  We thought we had done our homework -- we had several long email conversations with Dr. Jimi Cook himself &amp; chose a surgeon personally recommended by him, who had done many Tightropes &amp; was involved in teaching the procedure to other surgeons.

Although we followed the rehab instructions to the letter, we had concerns about our dog&#039;s recovery from day one.  He developed a large seroma &amp; when we cultured some of the fluid from the seroma, our vet found staph &amp; synovial cells, most likely from leaking joint fluid.  When we contacted the surgeon who had done the original Tightrope, he was unable to explain how our dog could be leaking joint fluid.

After the expanding bone tunnel was discovered, we had the fibretape removed.  At that time, we were told there was adequate scar tissue built up to stablize the joint.  After many more weeks of rehab &amp; becoming increasingly concerned about our dog&#039;s lack of progress, we consulted another ortho surgeon.  We were told that his knee was still unstable &amp; would require a TPLO.

After doing the TPLO, we were amazed at the difference in recovery.  For a procedure that is supposedly more invasive than the Tightrope, the recovery was like night &amp; day.  He used the leg from day one &amp; just got better &amp; better with each passing week.  No seroma, no infection, just steady improvement.  He also seemed to be in much less pain this time around.  Considering it was the 3rd surgery on that knee within a 6 month period, we couldn&#039;t get over how much smoother his recovery went with the TPLO.

Incidentally, the surgeon who did the Tightrope charged us more for the removal than the original Tightrope surgery cost ($2800 vs $2300).  He also stopped all follow-up with us the minute the Tightrope was removed.  I suspect our complication was never reported in the literature.  In fact, we were told the complication was unique to our dog &amp; had never been seen before.

Since that time, I have been in contact with numerous people who experienced similar complications from the Tightrope &amp; who were also told they were the only ones experiencing complications.  None of them had any follow-up from the surgeons who had performed the Tightrope.  I don&#039;t know how Dr Cook can claim such a low complication rate when it would appear that adequate follow up is not being done with those experiencing the complications?  It makes me suspicious that the complication rate numbers are horribly skewed.

I wish with all my heart that we had just done the TPLO from the beginning.  We spent over $5K on the Tightrope &amp; removal &amp; ended up having to pay for a TPLO as well.  But at the end of the day, it isn&#039;t the loss of money that is most distressing -- it is having to watch your beloved dog suffer needlessly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I am also a dog owner whose beloved dog suffered a failed Tightrope due to expanding bone tunnels, causing the metal buttons to collaps into the bone tunnel.  We originally chose the Tightrope procedure because it was supposed to be less invasive than the TPLO or TAA, yet give the same results.  We thought we had done our homework &#8212; we had several long email conversations with Dr. Jimi Cook himself &amp; chose a surgeon personally recommended by him, who had done many Tightropes &amp; was involved in teaching the procedure to other surgeons.</p>
<p>Although we followed the rehab instructions to the letter, we had concerns about our dog&#8217;s recovery from day one.  He developed a large seroma &amp; when we cultured some of the fluid from the seroma, our vet found staph &amp; synovial cells, most likely from leaking joint fluid.  When we contacted the surgeon who had done the original Tightrope, he was unable to explain how our dog could be leaking joint fluid.</p>
<p>After the expanding bone tunnel was discovered, we had the fibretape removed.  At that time, we were told there was adequate scar tissue built up to stablize the joint.  After many more weeks of rehab &amp; becoming increasingly concerned about our dog&#8217;s lack of progress, we consulted another ortho surgeon.  We were told that his knee was still unstable &amp; would require a TPLO.</p>
<p>After doing the TPLO, we were amazed at the difference in recovery.  For a procedure that is supposedly more invasive than the Tightrope, the recovery was like night &amp; day.  He used the leg from day one &amp; just got better &amp; better with each passing week.  No seroma, no infection, just steady improvement.  He also seemed to be in much less pain this time around.  Considering it was the 3rd surgery on that knee within a 6 month period, we couldn&#8217;t get over how much smoother his recovery went with the TPLO.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the surgeon who did the Tightrope charged us more for the removal than the original Tightrope surgery cost ($2800 vs $2300).  He also stopped all follow-up with us the minute the Tightrope was removed.  I suspect our complication was never reported in the literature.  In fact, we were told the complication was unique to our dog &amp; had never been seen before.</p>
<p>Since that time, I have been in contact with numerous people who experienced similar complications from the Tightrope &amp; who were also told they were the only ones experiencing complications.  None of them had any follow-up from the surgeons who had performed the Tightrope.  I don&#8217;t know how Dr Cook can claim such a low complication rate when it would appear that adequate follow up is not being done with those experiencing the complications?  It makes me suspicious that the complication rate numbers are horribly skewed.</p>
<p>I wish with all my heart that we had just done the TPLO from the beginning.  We spent over $5K on the Tightrope &amp; removal &amp; ended up having to pay for a TPLO as well.  But at the end of the day, it isn&#8217;t the loss of money that is most distressing &#8212; it is having to watch your beloved dog suffer needlessly.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-27534</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just another dog owner. I&#039;m pretty informed about dog knee repairs, but by no means an expert. I would say to go back to the LSS. The limited range of motion could probably have been solved with physical therapy. When my dog had the repair, we were to start primary range of motion (PROM) exercises at the end of week 2. The vet gave us a sheet and showed us how to do it. Basically, what you are doing is bending and stretching the knee so that the scar tissue is flexible. We did 20 of each exercise twice a day. I&#039;ve heard of the vet requiring up to 75 of each exercise twice a day. But that&#039;s what keeps the scar tissue from limiting the range of motion. 

Also, for $4,000, you should be able to get a TPLO or TTA (my preference of the two high dollar repairs). It&#039;s my opinion that both procedures are too invasive, and I would still choose the LSS. The advantage of those two procedures is that they are healed with little chance of problems after 8 to 10 weeks (once the bone is healed).

Dr. Freiberg is unique in that he doesn&#039;t charge for a follow up surgery if the first oen fails. That&#039;s EXTREMELY unusual. Most all healthcare professionals (DVMs, MDs and DDSs) charge for every procedure whether or not the failure is the failure is their fault. 

I would suggest you inform yourself on dog knees. Two Yahoo! groups are dedicated to dog ortho issues - Orthodogs and conservative management. 

I would also suggest you stay away from the tightrope procedure. It&#039;s my totally uninformed opinion that some dogs are allergic to the tightrope material</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just another dog owner. I&#8217;m pretty informed about dog knee repairs, but by no means an expert. I would say to go back to the LSS. The limited range of motion could probably have been solved with physical therapy. When my dog had the repair, we were to start primary range of motion (PROM) exercises at the end of week 2. The vet gave us a sheet and showed us how to do it. Basically, what you are doing is bending and stretching the knee so that the scar tissue is flexible. We did 20 of each exercise twice a day. I&#8217;ve heard of the vet requiring up to 75 of each exercise twice a day. But that&#8217;s what keeps the scar tissue from limiting the range of motion. </p>
<p>Also, for $4,000, you should be able to get a TPLO or TTA (my preference of the two high dollar repairs). It&#8217;s my opinion that both procedures are too invasive, and I would still choose the LSS. The advantage of those two procedures is that they are healed with little chance of problems after 8 to 10 weeks (once the bone is healed).</p>
<p>Dr. Freiberg is unique in that he doesn&#8217;t charge for a follow up surgery if the first oen fails. That&#8217;s EXTREMELY unusual. Most all healthcare professionals (DVMs, MDs and DDSs) charge for every procedure whether or not the failure is the failure is their fault. </p>
<p>I would suggest you inform yourself on dog knees. Two Yahoo! groups are dedicated to dog ortho issues &#8211; Orthodogs and conservative management. </p>
<p>I would also suggest you stay away from the tightrope procedure. It&#8217;s my totally uninformed opinion that some dogs are allergic to the tightrope material</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/tightrope-ccl-procedure/#comment-27490</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tori had expansion of the bone tunnel, and the stainless steel button at the top of the implant had burrowed into the bone. Also, her meniscus had torn. The surgeon charged more than half the original price of $4K to do the second surgery. My only concern now is what will will do if the other leg CCL fails. My previous shepherd had lateral suture and had limited range of motion, and now this issue with TR with Tori. Not sure how to proceed if her other leg fails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tori had expansion of the bone tunnel, and the stainless steel button at the top of the implant had burrowed into the bone. Also, her meniscus had torn. The surgeon charged more than half the original price of $4K to do the second surgery. My only concern now is what will will do if the other leg CCL fails. My previous shepherd had lateral suture and had limited range of motion, and now this issue with TR with Tori. Not sure how to proceed if her other leg fails.</p>
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