Bachi is a 4 year old fox hound canaan mix. He blew his left ccl last July, and we did TTA.

He luxated his patella after that. We had that repaired, but it did not take long before he luxated again. We waited to do anything more and now he has blown his other ccl. The vet wants to repair the left again (3rd time in) TTA the right at the same time.

We decided to try chiropractic and laser to be followed by stem cell. Roughly the same cost as tta. He is not improving after several voms and laser; he has an intermittant lameness. We started in March.

What to do… Forget it and tta and fix the luxation or go forward with eventual stem cell?

TTA vs. Stem Cell Treatment – Bachi is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

Brian was the biggest pup of his litter. Now I know not to pick the biggest, since they are more prone to problems often. At 8 1/2 years his right knee went out. That was one week ago.

Given his age and the size of this American Bulldog (120 lbs), I was not sure what I could do for my best friend and companion. He’s not really very active anymore, but he sure does love his walks. So, was trying to see what I could do for him to at least get him to still be able to go on his walks. They’re not too long (10 to 20 mins).

So, this week he went in for the tightrope surgery with the swivel lock system. He did stay at the vet hospital the night of the surgery and came home yesterday.

The surgeon mentioned the he was a “thick boy” mand had a difficult time getting past the muscle and connective tissue. But she said it finally went well.

The first night home on Tramadol and Previcox was a bit roghi, but today he seems to be in a bit more pain. I wanted to give him as little Tramadol as possible to avoid the GI upset, but don’t want to see him in pain. Let’s hope he improves in a few days.

He is putting some weight on the leg when he goes out to potty.

Tightrope Surgery with Swivel Lock – Brian is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

Asia the Pit Bull’s story came to me via email. I thought it was important to share both to help Asia’s owner get some feedback on how to proceed with recovery, and to also illustrate many of the questions that plague us as we decide what the best approach for our dog.

To put it simply, my answer is always YES – if you are questioning whether or not to get a second opinion you should do it. Veterinarians vary greatly in their approaches to CCL injuries, and it is important for you to find someone that you feel will work with you to resolve your dog’s issue in the way you find most suitable; whether that be a more conservative approach or going right into surgery. There really are no “wrong” decisions here, it just depends on your particular dog, situation and preferences.

Asia’s Story

I have a 12 year old Pit bull. Sweetest dog I’ve ever had in my life. She’s never acted old, she’s very healthy, vibrant and fun as ever, people even think she’s a puppy.

Last Sunday she ran around a little too rough with the other dog and came in the house limping. I didn’t think it was anything serious. But then I noticed it wasn’t getting any better. I thought I’d check both legs, check her paws, her ankles.

5 days later I noticed her knee was POPPING, I could feel and hear a clicking sound going in and out when she would sit down. I then had a sick feeling overcome me, just predicting it was going to be bad. I researched on-line and everything I read was terrifying.

I called the vet the next day and got her an appointment. He explained that the ligament had possibly torn, and that the bones were rubbing together. He compared it to an acl tearing in a human, but he said to be careful because it could rupture. He told us to wait two weeks to see if anything would get better.

The longer we wait, the more I feel we should get a second opinion. What if waiting causes more damage, irreversible damage? I’ve read that arthritis could quickly set in if injury is not treated with surgery right away, or surgery can have a harder time recovering the more I wait.

My dog is depressed, lonely, gaining weight and in pain. It hurts to see her like this. I have limited funds, I am a student and it’s Christmas time and I’ve never been more stressed.

My question is.. should I wait the two weeks or go with my instinct and get surgery as soon as possible? I am willing to take out a big loan from the bank to pay for my dog. The other issue is, she is older. And recovery may be very, very, very had for her. I have put her on a raw holistic diet, and I mix a senior multi vitamin supplement in her food. I have given her omega 3 as well..

Anything else you can reccommend?

1 Month Update

Since the injury I’ve put Asia on Holistic raw food, omega 3 fatty acids and a natural anti inflammatory supplement for bone heath as well as doing conservative management for over a month now.

Some days Asia seems like she’s not in pain at all and will try to run with the other dog (which I have to stop her!), gets excited when she’s about to eat, if she sees another dog she gets excited, and heck she even acted like she wasn’t in pain at all at the vets.

But other days she limps around, and lays down at every chance she gets…and that popping sound is terrifying me. It’s almost impossible to tell if conservative management is working. We took her to the vet again and he asked us if she was getting better, and I honestly couldn’t tell him. I told him I was worried that it may get worse the longer we wait, or that the other leg will give out, or the other front legs will be over worked. He understood my concerns and talked about the TPLO surgery. Because of her age he seemed apprehensive in performing it. He discussed with me the risks/ cons to the surgery. He said he wanted to give Asia a blood test to see if she would be healthy enough to handle the anesthetic. I agreed.

The blood test results were very good. He’s surprised at how healthy she is for her age. He then referred our Asia to a specialist outside of town who performs the TPLO surgery. He said they did it at their hospital, but their way isn’t as advanced. All her information is now sent to this hospital I just need to contact them to set up a date to see Asia. So as it stands, we are deciding on whether Asia should do surgery or continue the conservative management. I am going to call the hospital our vet referred us too tomorrow and get that second opinion.

Should I Get a Second Opinion? Asia’s Story is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

Our golden retriever Bailey is ten and a half years old and has endeared two surgeries(TTS) for a torn cruciate ligament, the second time being to remove one of the failed/broken implants.

He has now torn the ligament in the other leg, our vet said he is healthy and would benefit from surgery, but we are very hesitant about surgery/recovery at his age.

Considering the first surgery was not completely successful we do not want to put him through that again. We want to do what’s best for Bailey to improve his quality of life and to keep him happy and healthy for years to come.

Any advice from similar situations would be very helpful and appreciated!

Advice on Senior Dogs and Ligament Injury – Bailey is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

Here’s a story that should provide hope to anyone with a pooch with a CCL problem…

We have a 140lb. Newfoundland. He is very active and blew out his right CCL 6 years at 18 months. It started with a tear. He wiped out on our tile floor. We were devastated.

We took him to a specialist. He immediately wanted to cut. That didn’t give us the warm and fuzzies. We then went to another about an hour away from us. He said the ligament was torn, but not ruptured so there was hope. He suggested waiting to see what happened.

Well, a month or so later, Porter blew his knee completely. Started just toe tapping and wouldn’t put much weight on it. We went back to the vet and he suggested TPLO. We went through with the surgery. About $4,000! It’s heavy duty surgery. But, Porter came out in flying colors. Took a solid 7 or 8 months before we let him off leash, but the surgery worked pretty well.

I say pretty well because he’s always been a bit light on that leg since then, but he runs, jumps and doesn’t show any signs of discomfort.

Everything was great until December, 2009. That’s when he started limping on his left side. He had now injured his other knee, which is about a 50/50 chance with large breeds after they have one knee rupture. We’re not sure what he did, but he is very active and runs/jumps all by himself, so he probably fell in our yard or running up our stairs.

This time we did a lot of research about Conservative Management. We really didn’t want to put him or us through surgery again. After speaking to a couple of different vets and people who had gone this route, we decided to take a chance. The vets really didn’t give us much hope as they said usually CM only works on smaller animals, but it was worth a shot.

Porter was confined in a small room and when we were home we’d let him out, but only under VERY close supervision. He was always on leash. No stairs, no walks except for potty breaks in the yard. He was confined to a 3×5 area when we weren’t home. This went on for 3 months.

At that point we started short (5 minute) walks a couple of times a day. still always on leash. From that point we increased his walks over time to about 15 minutes by 6 months.

At 6 months we let him off leash in our yard. He was still supervised and we didn’t let him run. A little trotting was about it. We continued to walk him 2 or 3 times a day for 10 to 15 minutes a time. Every month we’d give him a little more freedom. By 12 months you’d never even know he was hurt!

Now (Nov, 2011), He’s now back to full activity…swimming, running, acting like a nut! We still don’t allow him to jump off things and we don’t chase him a lot or let him deak back and forth, which puts a lot of stress on knees. But, other than that, he’s free to do as he wishes. He couldn’t be happier.

We put Porter on various supplements…fish oil, vitamin E, Glucosomin/chondroitin. We also cut his food slightly to be sure he didn’t put weight on. We continue with the supplements to this day.

We also started him on Adequan. This is a miracle drug for arthritis pain! we give it to him once every 6 weeks and you can see the difference in him. It’s incredible. I highly recommend it. Find a vet that will let you inject it and you’ll save a ton of money.

We read much of this site before deciding on CM. Many people make the same comment about their dog being too active and thinking they won’t be able to control them or the dog will be too sad sitting around all day. Believe me, it’s harder on the owner than the dog. If you have the willpower to control your dog, you can do this. Really, it’s not much different than TPLO. You’d still have to keep the animal calm for months.

One interesting thing, last year we had Porter’s right knee xrayed. It was quite damaged by arthritis. We were told that was one of the main reasons to undergo surgery…to reduce arthritis. That apparently didn’t work! Some day we are going to have both knees xrayed to see the difference.

A final thought…my wife blew out here knee for a 2nd time last year. We went to one well known surgeon…he said he needed to operate.

Based on Porter’s outcome, we were somewhat skeptical. We went to NYC to see another top notch surgeon. He said no surgery…basically follow the same CM idea. It’s been a year now and her knee is doing very well without surgery!

To sum it up, CM worked very well for us. I would highly recommend trying it, but you HAVE to COMMIT yourself to it. It’s going to be hard, but if you stick to it, it can work. I’m sure there are cases where surgery is the only way out, but don’t be too quick to decide on this route. I don’t see any reason to not try CM before cutting.

I definitely don’t buy the idea that arthritis will be worse if you wait…we didn’t wait and Porter still got pretty bad arthritis in the repaired leg.

I know if you’re just going through this now with your dog, you’re probably very upset. Believe me it’s not the end of the world. Your dog will get better…it’s just going to take some time and a lot of care.

TPLO and Conservative Management – Porter is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

I have a rescue Basset Hound/Golden Retriever mix who is almost 4 years old. He is a very mellow, chill couch potato that does have spurts of energy and playfulness, unlike our constantly crazy Yellow Lab. About 7 months ago, they were playing in the yard and he must have somehow hurt himself because after napping for a couple hours he wouldn’t put his left rear leg down. He even moaned every once in a while in pain. We called our vet that night (not a surgeon), and he said he was pretty sure it was his CCL and that we can have him evaluated first thing in the morning. However, in the morning he was able to walk on his leg just fine and no moaning or lameness since – so I was reluctant to even take him to the vet. The vet explained the drawer test to us, and then performed it on our baby (who let out the most heartbreaking squeals of pain I have ever heard).

I was a little miffed by the way our vet recommended TPLO. We wanted to do our homework, so we saw an orthopedic surgeon who said he only partially tore his ACL and he recommended TTA surgery, but suggested we first try glucosamine/MSM/chondroitin pills along with strict rest for 8 weeks. We combined that with another antioxidant with glucosamine in a powder form. We were relieved that he suggested this first, as the TTA/TPLO are scary to me. He seemed to recover beautifully, he is a mostly chill dog so he didn’t much mind strict rest! He had no obvious limp and seemed to bear weight pretty evenly for months so we started to slowly introduce some exercise about 2 months ago. At the same time, we decided to switch to cheaper glusocamine pills and he remained to be doing great. We let him off the leash, take him for long walks, and he hasn’t had any signs of pain or lameness.

However, as of 2 weeks ago, he seems to be regressing. I took him for a walk, and wouldn’t even use his leg after a couple of hours. So we went back to strict rest and he was fine to put weight on it again the very next morning, just like at Day One over 7 months ago. Although he is using his leg, he does slightly favor his good leg and are concerned that the rest and glucosamine just isn’t enough for him, but I am praying that switching back to the other pills will do the trick.

Let me tell you, I love the hell out of my dogs, and have done more research and called more vets (holistic, surgeons, etc) than you’d ever imagine. We are trying to figure out what the next step should be. No matter what, we are going back to the other pills and they arrive tomorrow. We are also putting him on a diet dog food, he could lose a couple pounds. I have started massaging and icing his knee. I’m also doing a little physical therapy on him at home using a really helpful youtube video I found. Maybe a brace would help him?

We were so saddened by his setback that we are revisiting the possibility of surgery, as much as we don’t want him to go through that. But I am afraid of arthritis – some say NOT doing surgery causes it, some say surgery causes it. We don’t know what the best thing is for our dog and we want to do the right thing and make an educated decision. The TPLO/TTA seems so invasive, and aren’t sure if it’s worth the risk/cost. Or if since he is generally lazy the conventional surgery would be better for him. Maybe the Tightrope would be better, but I have researched and there are many failed cases of those as well as the other types of surgeries. Any advice or general direction would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance for your time!

We are trying to figure out what the next step should be, as surgery is something we are considering but we don’t know what the best thing is for our dog and we want to do the right thing and make an educated decision. The TPLO seems so invasive, and aren’t sure if it’s worth the cost or if since he is generally lazy the conventional surgery would be better for him. Any advice or general direction would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance for your time!

A Conservative Management Experience – Pudge is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

After a couple of months she was due for her needles. I mentioned this lameness to our vet, who diagnosed a partial knee ligament tear. She was extremely active, chasing balls for 30 mins every afternoon and a 5 km walk every morning. The vet suggested rest to see if it healed.

We decided to use a conservative method. She recovered very well. We started to increase her exercise levels after the 6 month mark, she was starting to play and run around off lead with no bad effects. We were very cautious when adding ball games, not allowing her to chase the ball, only to retrieve it after we had thrown it and it stopped bouncing. All was going according to plan and we were very happy.

We then made the decision to allow her playfriend over, a 12yr old jack russell. They played several times with no problems, then one day she was lame again, the feeling of depair was unbelieveable. After going back to the conservative method again, she was not recovering as she had before. The limp was there nearly every time she rose after a sleep. We decided to get her operated on. She weighs 21 kgs and the vet made the decision which method was best for her and her active lifestyle.

I am so impressed with her, she has the best nature imaginable! I got the crate 3 days before and got her used to it. No problems there.

She didn’t have any arthritic changes, which i was worried about because of the time from the first lameness. The bandage fell off on day 2, but she didn’t worry the wound at all. Some allergic reaction to the stitches, but no real problems. She has been an angel, just sleeping in her crate and chewing kong toys.

I take her out on the leash for a few hours every afternoon and sit in the backyard with her. At least she can watch the world go by. She was putting weight on it within a few days.

We are now at week 5 and she walks without pain or limping. I have started to allow her a trot now and then, very little signs of limping. I have been doing the passive range of motion from day 5, and think it has helped. Her leg is quite thin, but when the weather warms up, I have ponds near me that she can swim in. Hopefully she continues to improve. We will be sure to keep her weight down, and she will only be allowed to play ball in the pond.

I hope she never needs the 2nd leg done, but at 5yrs old i know there is a good chance it will happen. Good luck to everyone out there going thru this, it is very stressful. When tango went in for the stitches removal, my vet asked how we were and not how the dog was!

Traditional Repair After Conservative Management – Tango is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

Stetson had his TTO surgery today, just 9 weeks after my girl, Rave. His accident is an unfortunate co-incidence. Neither is related to their agility involvement. However both dogs being athletic competitors, we want a great outcome thru both the surgery and the ensuing physical therapy.

I have been very well pleased with Rave’s recovery and decided the exact same treatment options for my boy, Stetson.

Two years ago I fostered three Rottweiler’s over the summer. (Phoebe and Manning were adopted by new families, quickly) Stetson’s response to training was so overwhelming and solid, I adopted him from the rescue myself! He was too good to let go and he fit in nicely with my own two girls, Raven and Sable, also Rottweiler’s. He is a Clydesdale sized dog with a personality to match and a desire to please.

Naturally, at some point in time we will be able to book consecutive PT sessions. Maybe I can at least save on some gas?

TTO Surgery with Laser – Stetson is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

I am an Office Manager at an animal hospital, and I love to bring my dog with me to work every day. His name is Ben, and he is a Golden Retriever. When the story begins, he weighed 115 lbs.

In early June, I had brought Ben to work. We we playing fetch in the hospital (again, I LOVE my job), and Ben slipped on the tile floor. He had a slight limp for two days, but then he was fine. I had him on Rimadyl/Carprofen, but once the limp went away, I took him off of it. I began to worry about his weight causing problems, and I was able to get him down to 112 lbs.

On Friday, June 24th, I was in my front yard when Ben started running. He stopped very suddenly, and he couldn’t put his leg down. He couldn’t walk to the door. I immediately brought him to my hospital, and the vet was able to feel the ligament tear through the drawer test.

I spoke to 4 different veterinarians and 2 CVTs… 5 of these 6 people said to go with the TPLO. I was shocked at the prices I was being given. Even with a kind “Professional Courtesy Discount”, I was getting estimates into the $4000′s. I was worried about this high price, and I was even more worried about the lengthy recovery time, severity of the side effects, and possibly spending another $4000 on his next leg just months down the road.

I spoke to a vet who we often refer to, but his hospital can only do lateral sutures. After meeting Ben, he suggested I call Dr. Robert Cook of Animal Medic Clinic of St. Charles, IL. Dr. Cook has been performing the Tightrope surgery for some time, and he has had success with it. I set up our consultation for Wednesday, June 29th.

DAY ONE

I met with Dr. Cook at about 10:00 AM. He is extremely thorough in his exam, and he makes sure that I understand everything and all of my questions are answered. He explains the possible side effects of the surgery, and he explains why things go wrong. I feel very confident with him, even more so after he mentions he has performed over 500 of these surgeries since 2008. He explains that yes, it is a newer surgery and surgeons can make mistakes by placing the rope crooked or drilling too close to one side of the bone. After 500 of these surgeries, Dr. Cook explained that he has learned to not make these mistakes.

I also explained that I was concerned about Ben’s size, and other veterinarians did not feel the tightrope would hold. He explains that this surgery was designed for the larger dog. He has done it on dogs larger than Ben with great results. We discussed Ben’s weight, and as of today, he is down to 103. Dr. Cook wants me to get him down to the lower 90s to assist with his recovery, and he should probably be at his ideal weight then. Overweight dogs have a higher occurance of blowing their second leg.

THE TIGHTROPE SURGERY

I really recommend finding a vet as experienced in this surgery as mine. I ended up paying 2500, and while the outcome is still unknown, this is how my surgery differed from others I am reading.

The surgery was performed that day. I dropped him off at 10. They performed bloodwork, and they gave morphine, acepromazine and an epidural. They were in surgery for about an hour. They also found a tear in the meniscus, and this was trimmed. I brought Ben home THE SAME DAY at 4:00. There was no cast, and there were no bandages. There was a transparent, sticky adhesive placed over the incision which was to be removed in 3 days. The external incision was about 2 inches long, and the other small incisions were all under a centimeter. The incision was closed with staples, rather than sutures.

NIGHT ONE AFTER TIGHTROPE SURGERY

Ben was in a lot of pain. I was able to get him to eat a little and drink a little. He held his leg in the air the entire time. He would not stand on his own. He was so depressed, like he had lost the will to live.

DAY TWO

I take Ben outside at 730 AM. We have four stairs at my house, and I have to basically hold his back end while he walks down the stairs. He peed and laid down. I COULD NOT get him to stand up. I’m so happy I had called off of work… I wasn’t able to get Ben back into the house until after 9:00AM. Ben was still very painful, even after medication, and he would growl at me if I would pet him. He has never growled at me in his life, so I found this concerning. He laid around for the rest of the day. When he would stand later in the day, he would begin to toe-touch. His appetite was normal, and he was drinking. My brother was able to carry him outside in the early evening, and again, he wouldn’t walk to the door to come in.

DAY THREE

Ben is starting to walk and follow-me around. He is putting weight on his paw. His pain seems to be going away.

DAY FOUR

I leave Ben alone for the first time since his surgery. He stayed in my room all day. When I got home, he began to run in the house. I had to stop him from moving so quickly. His function appeared to be back to about 50-60%.

DAY FIVE

This injury came at a bad time. Ben is crazy afraid of fireworks, and this was the 3rd of July. I made a hiding spot for him in my room with a lot of blankets. I had given him 100mg of Tramadol and 75mg of Benadryl, but he does not seem to calm down whatsoever. At one point, I walked out to my car. I came in about 5 minutes later, and Ben was in the bathroom with a blanket attached to him. I’m assuming he heard a loud firework, and he ran out of my room and tripped over the blanket, because he was holding his leg high in the air again. I was concerned that he did something to reinjure himself or screw up the surgery. I got him to go back in my room and I blasted classical music. I was able to get him to fall asleep.

DAY SIX

The Fourth of July!

I brought Ben with me to work. I know he was supposed to be bed resting for two weeks, but I wanted my vet to see his progress. He was walking around a little too much for my liking, but my vet thinks he is healing well. The incision looks healthy and normal, and no swelling is present. I cut his Deramaxx from 100mg once daily to 75mg once daily.

That night, I gave him 25mg Acepromazine. He hid the whole time without any pacing. Thank goodness!

DAY NINE

Ben is at about 70 to 80% percent function during the day, but he drops back to 50% at night. I wonder if it is because his Deramaxx is wearing off.

I am slightly concerned that initially, he was showing steady signs of progress, and now it is slowing down. The other problem is that he is getting sick of sitting in this house. He is being way too active when I get home, and he runs to the door if someone gets here. He’s pretty good about stopping when he is told to do so, but I’m worried that these small instances can cause big damage.

Ben is able to completely go down stairs quickly, without assistance (just the 4, as approved by my vet), but he shows a little difficulty when going up. I am lifting up his rear to get him to climb.

Tightrope Surgery Experience – Ben is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries

8 year old yellow lab (named Betty) that was possessed with the “I love life way too much” syndrome. We did daily walks of three miles and were joined by another lab lover twice a week for five mile adventures. One day I noticed Betty really holding back, not interested in her walk and struggling to keep up. I assumed she was starting with the hip issues that we Lab lovers are all to familiar with but a visit to her vet revealed otherwise.

X rays revealed knee issues…… I never processed that dogs have knees. Anyways, a veterinarian orthopedic specialist was recommended. We met with the doc and were given a first class education on what was going on with our friend. One hour he spent with us answering every question, regardless how inane, and most importantly spoke to us in terms we could understand. Oh, and he drew lots of pictures to illustrate his points, very helpful.

Advice to all, get a great orthopedic vet and do the surgery. My best friend, even though wounded on knee number two, is like a puppy again. They’re worth every penny.

TPLO Surgery on Both Knees – Betty is a post from: Dog Knee Surgery and Ligament Injuries