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		<title>By: naoki</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/canine-cruciate-knee-injury-symptoms/#comment-32660</link>
		<dc:creator>naoki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tina. I think it depends on which insurance company you choose but regardless it&#039;s pre-existing condition or not, many pet insurance companies don&#039;t cover orthopedic related issues, let alone CCL. We have VPI and so far we are fine with them. I think you should call and ask pet insurance companies you might go with about your dog&#039;s condition first to make sure.

It&#039;s a bit strange to hear that your vet didn&#039;t suggest anything to help your dog&#039;s condition. Anyway, giving her glucosamine doesn&#039;t harm your dog but at the same time, you can&#039;t expect her to get better either. My vet, orthopedic specialist and he&#039;s got a great reputation in this area told me that there is no scientific evidence that glucosamine actually help animal&#039;s joints. It definitely help dog owner&#039;s mentally though because that gives you a sense of comfort and security regardless if it&#039;s effective or not.

Obviously I&#039;m not a vet but I don&#039;t think she has CCL. If she does, she would not be able to walk and having trouble getting up , period. I just feel like it&#039;s something else because she can&#039;t extend her leg. When our dog was still a puppy, one morning he woke up and started walking with one of his hind legs not touching on the floor. He walked that way for few minutes. I was so alarmed what i saw and took him to the animal emergency. They could not figure out but very next day, I took him to our regular bet and found out that was caused by &quot;growling pain&quot;. It&#039;s very common in giant breed pups. So within few days, he was back tom normal. 

Your dog is not a giant breed so I can&#039;t say it might just be a growing pain but it&#039;s a possibility. 

Anyway, hope you&#039;ll get an answer from the orthopedic specialist and her leg get better. I know it&#039;s hard to see your dog not behaving or moving the way she should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tina. I think it depends on which insurance company you choose but regardless it&#8217;s pre-existing condition or not, many pet insurance companies don&#8217;t cover orthopedic related issues, let alone CCL. We have VPI and so far we are fine with them. I think you should call and ask pet insurance companies you might go with about your dog&#8217;s condition first to make sure.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit strange to hear that your vet didn&#8217;t suggest anything to help your dog&#8217;s condition. Anyway, giving her glucosamine doesn&#8217;t harm your dog but at the same time, you can&#8217;t expect her to get better either. My vet, orthopedic specialist and he&#8217;s got a great reputation in this area told me that there is no scientific evidence that glucosamine actually help animal&#8217;s joints. It definitely help dog owner&#8217;s mentally though because that gives you a sense of comfort and security regardless if it&#8217;s effective or not.</p>
<p>Obviously I&#8217;m not a vet but I don&#8217;t think she has CCL. If she does, she would not be able to walk and having trouble getting up , period. I just feel like it&#8217;s something else because she can&#8217;t extend her leg. When our dog was still a puppy, one morning he woke up and started walking with one of his hind legs not touching on the floor. He walked that way for few minutes. I was so alarmed what i saw and took him to the animal emergency. They could not figure out but very next day, I took him to our regular bet and found out that was caused by &#8220;growling pain&#8221;. It&#8217;s very common in giant breed pups. So within few days, he was back tom normal. </p>
<p>Your dog is not a giant breed so I can&#8217;t say it might just be a growing pain but it&#8217;s a possibility. </p>
<p>Anyway, hope you&#8217;ll get an answer from the orthopedic specialist and her leg get better. I know it&#8217;s hard to see your dog not behaving or moving the way she should.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do plan on taking her to an ortho specialist. The vet was surprised with the find and that&#039;s all he said. He also recommended glucosamine for her. He asked if she jumps or take stairs okay. She doesn&#039;t jump on or off the bed or couch. I thought it was just because she was timid and small. He said she should be able to do that fine. She plays well. Running, jumping ( not too high though), sitting with no apparent abnormalities. I am wondering if this will be considered a preexisting condition or if I would be able to get insurance for her. What should I do next? So far I have had her 3 weeks and just took her to the vet for that one check- up. I want to decide about insurance before going to the specialist and getting a diagnosis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do plan on taking her to an ortho specialist. The vet was surprised with the find and that&#8217;s all he said. He also recommended glucosamine for her. He asked if she jumps or take stairs okay. She doesn&#8217;t jump on or off the bed or couch. I thought it was just because she was timid and small. He said she should be able to do that fine. She plays well. Running, jumping ( not too high though), sitting with no apparent abnormalities. I am wondering if this will be considered a preexisting condition or if I would be able to get insurance for her. What should I do next? So far I have had her 3 weeks and just took her to the vet for that one check- up. I want to decide about insurance before going to the specialist and getting a diagnosis.</p>
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		<title>By: naoki</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/canine-cruciate-knee-injury-symptoms/#comment-32627</link>
		<dc:creator>naoki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 04:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know what the vet said when he found this problem. She&#039;s still a pup, especially small breed but already having a knee problem, that&#039;d definitely concern me. I don&#039;t know the pup&#039;s background but I suspect that she might be from a backyard breeder. if that&#039;s the case, this problem might be a result of horrible breeding practice and therefore, this can be a genetic problem. Does she able to walk fine? Does she able to sit? Did you check her gait? If you notice any of odd movement, then I think you should take her an orthopedic for further examination. Hope they can find what&#039;s wrong with her knee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know what the vet said when he found this problem. She&#8217;s still a pup, especially small breed but already having a knee problem, that&#8217;d definitely concern me. I don&#8217;t know the pup&#8217;s background but I suspect that she might be from a backyard breeder. if that&#8217;s the case, this problem might be a result of horrible breeding practice and therefore, this can be a genetic problem. Does she able to walk fine? Does she able to sit? Did you check her gait? If you notice any of odd movement, then I think you should take her an orthopedic for further examination. Hope they can find what&#8217;s wrong with her knee.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got a maltipoo or cockatoo type puppy from a rescue group. At the first vet visit, he noticed her knees were thickened, crackling, and would not fully extend. She&#039;s under 7 pounds and has no signs of problems. I&#039;m worried and not sure what to do. Would any of you recommend buying insurance? Can this be a big problem that will require surgery or affect her as she gets older?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got a maltipoo or cockatoo type puppy from a rescue group. At the first vet visit, he noticed her knees were thickened, crackling, and would not fully extend. She&#8217;s under 7 pounds and has no signs of problems. I&#8217;m worried and not sure what to do. Would any of you recommend buying insurance? Can this be a big problem that will require surgery or affect her as she gets older?</p>
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		<title>By: Gord</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/canine-cruciate-knee-injury-symptoms/#comment-27854</link>
		<dc:creator>Gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve since had to put our Tosa to rest, as her condition was far too bad for the vets to correct it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve since had to put our Tosa to rest, as her condition was far too bad for the vets to correct it.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/canine-cruciate-knee-injury-symptoms/#comment-26851</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Allison - There are a number of conditions that may have similar symptoms to an ACL injury.  Has your dog been checked for arthritis or lyme disease??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Allison &#8211; There are a number of conditions that may have similar symptoms to an ACL injury.  Has your dog been checked for arthritis or lyme disease??</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Dexter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 16:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The vet suspected that my dog had torn her cruciate ligament.  But I don&#039;t know if that is what it is anymore.  She is doing good walking around but it is getting up that is the issue. She has trouble getting up especially when she is on the sofa. It takes her a couple of times to get up and then she slowly gets down and then has to stand there a while to get sturdy. But then she is quick to move and wants to walk around and play.  

Does anyone have any ideas what else it could be?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vet suspected that my dog had torn her cruciate ligament.  But I don&#8217;t know if that is what it is anymore.  She is doing good walking around but it is getting up that is the issue. She has trouble getting up especially when she is on the sofa. It takes her a couple of times to get up and then she slowly gets down and then has to stand there a while to get sturdy. But then she is quick to move and wants to walk around and play.  </p>
<p>Does anyone have any ideas what else it could be?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: naoki fujiwara</title>
		<link>http://dogkneeinjury.com/canine-cruciate-knee-injury-symptoms/#comment-18640</link>
		<dc:creator>naoki fujiwara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe and Gordon. I had not been on this site for a while. 

Lennox’s problem on his right knee last year was caused by slipping tendon. (Long digital extensor tendon) It was out of place and that caused the loud clicking sound. Our vet (orthopedic specialist who has a great reputation in this town and I actually went to see his lecture about CCL only few weeks ago.) told us to limit the daily activities and exercise for several weeks and see how he does. He didn’t prescribe any medication. (Lennox has a very sensitive stomach and anti-inflammatory medication always gave him a problem) 
So we followed his instruction and within few weeks, his clicking sound faded away. After we visited the vet’s office for follow-up, he was cleared.

Then, until now, he was doing just fine. Now he’s almost 3 years old and weighs about 150LBs. 
When we were walking this past weekend, I noticed that the way he was walking didn’t look right. His right back leg was little off. After we got back home, he walked normal so I thought it was strange. Then the next day, he did the same while we were walking. Then later that night, he dragged his right back leg a bit and was not putting his weight on the leg. He walked just fine and didn’t show any strange movement in next 2 days but I was very concerned  and decided to take him to the vet and  made an appointment 2 days later. 

The vet who saw him was not the same orthopedic specialist we saw the last time. (Unfortunately, he was on vacation and we were told that he’d not be back until the second week of November. I didn’t wanna wait that long so I decided to see the other doctor within the same facility)

So she asked me to walk him a bit so that she could observe the way he walks. Then she checked his right knee, hip, etc. Feeling with her hand. She said that it seems that his knee has some inflammation and she could feel that there is some fluid in it. She told me that he might have some soft tissue injury which should be heal by itself over the course of time. However, considering the history of his right leg, he might also have inner ligament injury which could lead to CCL or arthritis. She said he’d not need any medication for now and but restrict his activities for next 2 weeks to see how he does. Then come back to get checked out again by the other vet (our regular one who diagnosed his knee clicking sound before). If the condition improves, he’ll not need any special treatment but if it doesn’t, she said they might have to see his knee under the scope. I can’t remember the name of the procedure but it’s basically stick the micro scope in his knee and see inside. That’ll cost about $3000 and if they see CCL damage, it can turn out to be TPLO or TTA which will cost even more. I know they would not do traditional repair since Lennox weight more than 100LBs. 

Right now, he walks fine and his movement is normal. No favoring the leg or dragging the leg. He has not shown any sign of discomfort or pain. (Well, it’s really hard to see if he’s in pain because of this breed’s trait, as you guys know)

Anyway, I just got back from the vet’s office and not feeling so good about it. We just have to watch him closely and restrict his activities for next 2 weeks and hope his condition improve. 
I’ll post the follow up when we go see the vet in 2 weeks. 

-naoki</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe and Gordon. I had not been on this site for a while. </p>
<p>Lennox’s problem on his right knee last year was caused by slipping tendon. (Long digital extensor tendon) It was out of place and that caused the loud clicking sound. Our vet (orthopedic specialist who has a great reputation in this town and I actually went to see his lecture about CCL only few weeks ago.) told us to limit the daily activities and exercise for several weeks and see how he does. He didn’t prescribe any medication. (Lennox has a very sensitive stomach and anti-inflammatory medication always gave him a problem)<br />
So we followed his instruction and within few weeks, his clicking sound faded away. After we visited the vet’s office for follow-up, he was cleared.</p>
<p>Then, until now, he was doing just fine. Now he’s almost 3 years old and weighs about 150LBs.<br />
When we were walking this past weekend, I noticed that the way he was walking didn’t look right. His right back leg was little off. After we got back home, he walked normal so I thought it was strange. Then the next day, he did the same while we were walking. Then later that night, he dragged his right back leg a bit and was not putting his weight on the leg. He walked just fine and didn’t show any strange movement in next 2 days but I was very concerned  and decided to take him to the vet and  made an appointment 2 days later. </p>
<p>The vet who saw him was not the same orthopedic specialist we saw the last time. (Unfortunately, he was on vacation and we were told that he’d not be back until the second week of November. I didn’t wanna wait that long so I decided to see the other doctor within the same facility)</p>
<p>So she asked me to walk him a bit so that she could observe the way he walks. Then she checked his right knee, hip, etc. Feeling with her hand. She said that it seems that his knee has some inflammation and she could feel that there is some fluid in it. She told me that he might have some soft tissue injury which should be heal by itself over the course of time. However, considering the history of his right leg, he might also have inner ligament injury which could lead to CCL or arthritis. She said he’d not need any medication for now and but restrict his activities for next 2 weeks to see how he does. Then come back to get checked out again by the other vet (our regular one who diagnosed his knee clicking sound before). If the condition improves, he’ll not need any special treatment but if it doesn’t, she said they might have to see his knee under the scope. I can’t remember the name of the procedure but it’s basically stick the micro scope in his knee and see inside. That’ll cost about $3000 and if they see CCL damage, it can turn out to be TPLO or TTA which will cost even more. I know they would not do traditional repair since Lennox weight more than 100LBs. </p>
<p>Right now, he walks fine and his movement is normal. No favoring the leg or dragging the leg. He has not shown any sign of discomfort or pain. (Well, it’s really hard to see if he’s in pain because of this breed’s trait, as you guys know)</p>
<p>Anyway, I just got back from the vet’s office and not feeling so good about it. We just have to watch him closely and restrict his activities for next 2 weeks and hope his condition improve.<br />
I’ll post the follow up when we go see the vet in 2 weeks. </p>
<p>-naoki</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have a story on Tosa Knee injuries.

I&#039;m having some dog problems.  Specifically related to my Tosa&#039;s back legs.
 
I just got back from the Ortho Surgens and she needs double corrective surgery on her hind legs.
Prognosis is Patellar Luxation (knee cap&#039;s keep slipping out of their groove inward).
 
It&#039;s happening quite often now, more over the last couple of weeks.
The doctors are saying that it&#039;s a gene thing and just bad luck I guess because Tosa&#039;s aren&#039;t known to have this problem. 
She started showing signs of trouble a month ago and I thought the problem was a result of an injury.  Apparently it wasn&#039;t an injury, but the knee cap popping out for the first time.
I&#039;m deathly afraid that she&#039;s going to have some long term problems, and we love this dog so much, but I&#039;m looking at a pretty large bill.
 
The surgens commented on how straight her hind legs are....in the front as you look at the back leg.  Normally they say, dogs will have a (dog legged crook to their hind legs).  But neither do any of the other Tosa&#039;s I&#039;ve seen online, so I suspect that&#039;s just an observation, and not attibuting to the problem.
 
The more I research it, the more instances I see of Great Danes and some mastiff&#039;s having this occur.
Just thought I&#039;d keep you in the loop, as I&#039;m sure you&#039;d like to hear of such things.
 
I talked to her siblings owners and they haven&#039;t had any problems, so I&#039;m wondering how the gene thing is a possibility.
I guess she&#039;s just a little more prone than them, dunno.
 
I&#039;ve been taking great care to allow her to take it very easy on it, but still walking her (on lead only).
She eats very well, but is not overweight by any means....90lbs today actually.
 
Have you heard of this before, do you think it may correct itself, etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have a story on Tosa Knee injuries.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m having some dog problems.  Specifically related to my Tosa&#8217;s back legs.</p>
<p>I just got back from the Ortho Surgens and she needs double corrective surgery on her hind legs.<br />
Prognosis is Patellar Luxation (knee cap&#8217;s keep slipping out of their groove inward).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s happening quite often now, more over the last couple of weeks.<br />
The doctors are saying that it&#8217;s a gene thing and just bad luck I guess because Tosa&#8217;s aren&#8217;t known to have this problem.<br />
She started showing signs of trouble a month ago and I thought the problem was a result of an injury.  Apparently it wasn&#8217;t an injury, but the knee cap popping out for the first time.<br />
I&#8217;m deathly afraid that she&#8217;s going to have some long term problems, and we love this dog so much, but I&#8217;m looking at a pretty large bill.</p>
<p>The surgens commented on how straight her hind legs are&#8230;.in the front as you look at the back leg.  Normally they say, dogs will have a (dog legged crook to their hind legs).  But neither do any of the other Tosa&#8217;s I&#8217;ve seen online, so I suspect that&#8217;s just an observation, and not attibuting to the problem.</p>
<p>The more I research it, the more instances I see of Great Danes and some mastiff&#8217;s having this occur.<br />
Just thought I&#8217;d keep you in the loop, as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d like to hear of such things.</p>
<p>I talked to her siblings owners and they haven&#8217;t had any problems, so I&#8217;m wondering how the gene thing is a possibility.<br />
I guess she&#8217;s just a little more prone than them, dunno.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been taking great care to allow her to take it very easy on it, but still walking her (on lead only).<br />
She eats very well, but is not overweight by any means&#8230;.90lbs today actually.</p>
<p>Have you heard of this before, do you think it may correct itself, etc?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naoki:  I have a 4 year old tosa who just had his second ACL surgery.  Both kness have been operated on.  He was two years old when his first one occurred and now he is four years old.  It is a very debilitating process both pre-op and post-op recovery.  Please let me know how your dog is doing.  The surgery was performed in North Jersey using a fish-line technique.  It worked well on the first knee.  The second knee seems to take a longer rehab period.  Since your post was made in Feb. 2009, you have probably already had surgery and Lennox has already recuperated.  I hope so.  Good Luck. Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naoki:  I have a 4 year old tosa who just had his second ACL surgery.  Both kness have been operated on.  He was two years old when his first one occurred and now he is four years old.  It is a very debilitating process both pre-op and post-op recovery.  Please let me know how your dog is doing.  The surgery was performed in North Jersey using a fish-line technique.  It worked well on the first knee.  The second knee seems to take a longer rehab period.  Since your post was made in Feb. 2009, you have probably already had surgery and Lennox has already recuperated.  I hope so.  Good Luck. Joe</p>
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